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Two Chrises, one question: how do people actually get better?

Between them, Chris and Chris have spent decades teaching adults hard technical skills. The show is where they compare notes, argue a little, and try the ideas out on themselves.

Portrait of Chris Minnick
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Chris Minnick

Chris Minnick is a web developer, author, and trainer. He has written or co-written books including Coding with AI For Dummies, Microsoft Copilot For Dummies, JavaScript All-in-One For Dummies, ReactJS Foundations, and A Developer's Guide to Integrating AI into Applications, plus three novels.

Through his company, WatzThis, Inc., he creates courseware and teaches classes on AI and programming. Spending his days helping adults learn hard things is what got him curious about how learning actually works.

watzthis.com

Portrait of Chris Penick
Co-host

Chris Penick

Chris Penick is an instructor, author, and consultant. He is CISSP certified and has spent more than twenty years teaching and consulting in technology and cybersecurity for government agencies and companies large and small.

He brings a teacher's instinct for how people pick up new skills, and a willingness to be the guinea pig when the show's challenges get weird.

chrispenick.com